Are More People Leaving San Francisco Than Arriving?
In Sunday's New York Times (registration required) they discuss how many people are leaving California for the Midwest.
"Last year, a half million people left California for other parts of the United States, while fewer than 400,000 Americans moved there. The net outflow has risen fivefold, to more than 100,000, since 2001, an analysis by Economy.com, a research company, shows, although immigration from other countries and births have kept the state's population growing."
There's also an interesting graphic entitled "San Francisco has more people leaving than arriving" showing how many people moved TO San Francisco in 2001 and how many LEFT in 2004, along with where they are going...
"The current migration out of California is not as large as the one in the mid-1990's, which was driven more by job losses in aerospace and other industries than by real-estate prices."
Thanks, Brett, for the tip on this article!
posted by Matt Lanning @ 6:32 PM
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I wanted to say that as a middle class wage earner, with me and my wife pulling in over 90k a year, we too are making possible plans to leave the state because frankly, the way I see it, the baby boomers and those who bought prior to the boom are going to keep those prices out of reach for the majority of the younger middle class families for a long time. The simple fact that it is now almost 4.5 times cheaper in almost any other state except of course New York and MA makes for a real enticing argument for those who wish to have what they obviously cannot have here any longer, which is a normal middle class lifestyle.We are only hanging on for a few more years in the chance that the prices somehow miraculously come back to a more realistic level. I'm also curious that if A: people like me are leaving in droves, and B: industry also starts to vacate the state, as companies like Nissan did earlier this month for the same reasons; affordability, then what will this mean long term for the state's economy? People including Barbera Boxer have been warning that an unsubstainable housing market will have negative economic results. Now that it is happening, I can afford to wait a few more years and save.
I'm with pissbeard; my fiance and I live in southern California (Orange County), but we can't wait to move. Our fear is that our employers (Federal gov. - me and public accounting firm - her) won't let us move. The Federal government now has to force employees to California, and since they have to do that, I don't think they're going to let me transfer without a fight. I definitely don't want to quit my job, but we can live better in another state on my fiance's salary alone. Our plan is to either leave the state this coming fall, or wait another year and leave the summer of 2007. We feel that if we take too long, we'll have less options. I really think that people will be leaving California in droves in the not-too-distant future. I just want to leave before the max exodus!
The reason to leave not only San Francisco but California in general?
Let's try the following:
Endless taxation and "social" programs to "help" people who are too stupid or lazy to help themselves.
Refusal to prosecute and kick out illegal immigrants. They have NO rights and only deserve to be jailed and then removed from this country. Period. This argument that they have rights is a load of B.S.
Refusal to support massive educational system reform and dissolving the corrupt teachers union that has a stranglehold on education in this state. It is time to support home education and/or vouchers to give people back choice and control over their kids education.
Too much focus on politics and big government as the "solution" for all things. Real solutions come by people voting with their feet. People are literally doing that now... They are walking away.
Taxation without representation. Does the Boston Tea party bring back a memory? Instead of throwing tea to the bay, the people are throwing themselves out and leaving the ship full of broken promises for better shores.
The 9'th Circuit Court. It should be dissolved. Corrupt and legislates from the bench rather than gives fair opinion and justice.
Death tax - unfair, since the money was ALREADY taxed. Democrats love double-taxation.
Left leaning cities and power centers that hold conservative smaller towns and regional powers hostage to failed social policies and philosophies. The balance of power is highly unequal and the results are showing in the retreat that is now occuring by people who are tired of paying the freight for failed institutions.
Lowered quality of life while higher prices for services found cheaper outside of the California.
Public defense and support by the legal system and key institutions of criminals and enemies of the United States (like the ACLU). Why live in a state where the culture is ashamed of being part of the United States?
My own company has had it with being penalized and taxed unreasonably. We are set within ten years to call it quits and see 3,000 jobs dissapear from this state. The tax base will disappear just like this for city after city and town after town... It will be funny to watch the tears when many companys desert the region and leave the state for better climates.
It is time to send a message by removing money, assets and support from investing in California... Get out while you can so you can preserve your wealth and future.
When people left the colonies of England for America and Australia, they did so for a better life and future, with freedom at the heart of their quest. Is this so different?
I grew up in the midwest. Like all midwestern children I spent my entire youth being told how inferior I was, how uncultured, how unsophicated, how behind the times, how ignorant and worthless I was by the repeated opinions of New Yorkers and Californians.
Well, I hate cold weather, and I really don't like NYC (it just isn't my thing, that's all) and so I left to Cali as soon as possible.
I left with a MBA, speaking three languages, as a public accountant with three years of experience. I did not come to California looking for work; a CPA on a resume is golden. So I found a good job for $75,000 and settled in Los Angeles.
God, it was hell. This was two years ago. I couldn't find any apartment that was near my price range, so I had to take in a roommate (this being unthinkable to me; a 75k salary is the point at which you can take out mortgages to buy three bedroom homes where I grew up.) I loved the heat, and the beach culture, and I got plenty of both while sitting for hours in traffic while looking at the coast. Things were so expensive that we had to move to another apartment because our landlord couldn't afford to fix the numerous problems (again, where I come from it would be shameful to allow such things like dirty water taps or collapsed stairwells to exist.) But still, it was California!
And then I had to pay my taxes as a native California. Sweet jesus. I was actually going to be in debt! Debt! How can that possibly happen? How can any state tax you so much that you have nothing left over and are actually bankrupt because of it?
I fled the state, and so did my roommate. She finally was able to find the capital to start her own bakery/restaurant in Texas (on the calculations I did for her, it took literally 1/100th less in liabilities than it would have in Cali) and I found good work in Phoenix. Every year, now, more and more Californians arrive in droves. What's weird is that they start to say something about it, and then the keyphrase is: "I lived in California too." They hear the "lived" and they just know why you fled the state.
California is eating itself alive, and the greedy pigs who killed it have built their investment portfolios on nothing but optimism. It's going to collapse, because no human being should ever have to live in those conditions.
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